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21 June 2012

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Took the munchkins to the USA MNT meet & greet tonight (Staged by SBRO RugbyTexas). The team seemed ready to take the pitch and upbeat about their time together. Very positive experience.

Italy by 14

How is this performance by USA Rugby as our national governing body acceptable?

Because we allow it to be.

The solution is simple, yet something which apathy stands in the way of.

This, in part, is why Play Rugby was created by an outside entity, high school rugby is largely a SBO, and also why college rugby is walking away from USA Rugby and it's competitions. So why pay dues?

No matter which side of the coin you side, there are facts of the matter.

Interesting, Lowey is actually being generous to the Eagles this time. I think we'd do well to lose by 14. I didn't see it, but apparently Italy eviscerated the Canadian pack.

I don't think it is disrespectful to acknowledge that a low Tier 2 team just isn't in the same class as a Tier 1 team.

I meant 41. Damn Dyslexia !

Your predition against Georgia was spot on Beagles.

Anyone know the inside story on the West Coast D1-A conference being cooked up?

RE: IRB U20 Support for USA

Tonga plays Monday evening after a Father's Day Sunday and there are massive crowds. USA plays on Friday evening and stadium is 1/3 full. WTF?

Most the crowd for the USA match are in red because they were their to support Tonga who played earlier on Friday. Maybe 300 true USA supporters in the crowd.

US under 20s s--t stomping Chile!

Nice win for the U 20's. Chile made them work a bit in the 2nd half but the boys were up to the task. They have a clear desire to move the ball about and have a couple very very good players on that side. What was Beagles prediction on this one?

Here is hoping for a surprise in Houston tomorrow!

Someone has a crush on Beaagles!

Great job USA U20s...nice victory.

Sergio Parisse & Mike Tolkin on-stage (at the same time) with Emcee George Hook at the Lost Afternoon IV luncheon in Houston today. Parisse admitted the Azzuri are not happy in our trademark heat and humidity combo (perhaps this will bode well for drek's hopes!). I think they'll be less happy with 17,000 folks chanting, "U-S-A!"

George Hook is a parasite. One of the worst personalities in world rugby.

That's a pretty impressive result against a Chile team that dominated Russia in their previous game. Looking good for finishing the pool stages.

@Cole

Yeah. After playing at Twickenham in front of 80K+ singing Swing Low or at the Millennium Stadium in front of 70K+ singing or at the Stade de France in front of....you get the point. Those 17K slobs chanting an acronym is going to be scary!

In the buildup to the JWRT Chile also beat the Argentinian U19 team, which makes this result all the more impressive

http://www.irb.com/jwrt/news/newsid=2062788.html#chile+ready+redemption

Here are the scoring highlights for the Jr. Eagles against Chile.

http://youtu.be/L3tomzH5TeA

@collegenine

Not really because when that game took place there were 11 U19 eligible Argentine players with the U20 side in South Africa for the JWC.

It's a win, but nothing to get too excited about.

The u 20s put 56 points on the board and left 10 at least on the table. They have beaten Canada twice and shocked Tonga . Yes, it is something to get excited about.

@realitybites

When you consider the vast differences in the playing numbers, standards and development prospects of any Argentine player in comparison to his Chilean counterpart. Beating an even 2nd string Argentine U19s is a very encouraging effort.

If the Eagles (or any variation thereof - age grade, 7's etc) were to beat the All Blacks by 3 points many of the people that post here would:

1. Claim that it was not a full side team that the All Blacks fielded so therefore the victory was tainete

2. Three points was not a large enough victory against a team that is from such a small country

3. That everything and anyone to do with US Rugby sucks.

Not necessarily in that order ....

This has been as encouraging a month of rugby for the US in how long? Aligned with a revitalized Eagle 7's effort I'd say all in all thinks are not so bad.

If the Italians don't love the heat and humidity of Houston (does anyone?) I don't see how that confers any advantage to us. It's not like our team typically spends a lot of time training and playing their either.

Last week there was an official USA Rugby tweet taunting the Georgian's for fading late because they couldn't handle the altitude. Somehow there is this attitude out there (not confined to this board or to rugby) that physical conditions of a match (high elevation one week, heat and humidity the next) automatically favor the home team. A lot of the time, that attitude is nonsense.

@Working Class Rugger

Sorry if facts get in the way, but by your logic the U20 win over Chile means little as the USA has 10 times more U20 eligible males than Chile.

If you follow USA Rugby on Twitter, you will notice that for the last couple days they retweet everything and blow up your feed with basically spam. This is a social media marketing 101 "don't do", but I am not surprised. They are so amateur in so many ways.

@collegerugger

It is insane is what it is. D1A rugby is so diluted it needs to rethink what they are trying to accomplish.

A West Coast D1A conference comprising former D2 and D1AA teams is a ridiculous misuse of the term D1A and high performance funds. The D1A fight for survival has turned into a watered down mess. These aren't even the best D2-D1AA teams (along with a few D1A clunkers) which are making the jump to the so called best level of college rugby. In some cases these teams stink from a performance and organizational view. Some of the newest teams are the proverbial fratboy drinking sides. What they see by joining 1A is they are going to get some of the USAR HP grant money being passed out.

In the past no one had ever asked Sam Houston and Loyola if they wanted to be D1A. Now the red carpet is being rolled out.

Right when 1A needs to shrink to quality in order to survive they open the door to anyone who wants to join a D1A conference. The individuals working the strategy are the paid sports administrators of USAR's college division.

Remaining in D1A before the expansion were a few good teams including the mid-south conference of two teams and lots of clunkers. Add to this group one good team in Davenport and more than a dozen new bad teams. What you have is a competitively mismatched, expensive, unmarketable, resource drain. Oh, and some new USAR college salary positions.

USAR would be better off just giving all $250,000 to Life for scholarships. This plan would create more Eagles than funding rec ball leagues.

Reality Bites: Really? I for one enjoy seeing all the messages of support going out to the team. I think the rugby community is excited for this match, so why not show it on twitter for eff sakes? It's not like twitter is the most serious of social networking tools.

Grow up man. It's only a tweet. Get over it.

@college

Can you name the programs and what conference and division they are going into? It would provide context.

Sorry you're in the stoneage, but Twitter is probably the most powerful social media marketing tool that exists.

Regardless, retweets are a great tool. Say Russell Crowe tweets about the USA vs. Italy game and USA Rugby retweets. Great use of retweet. Retweet 20 tweets of people saying Eagles Rules! and people either unfollow you or turn of retweets thus diminishing the potential of your Twitter account to reach people.

Who wants to see this in their Twitter feed all within a couple minutes?


51m Kristin R. ‏@StarsAtNightTX
U.S., Italy to square off in rugby match at BBVA Compass Stadium - Houston Chronicle http://www.chron.com/sports/article
Retweeted by USA Rugby

54m Brad F ‏@Head67hunteR
@USAEaglesRugby can't wait to watch the game. ‪#beatitaly‬ Winona, MN is here supporting!
Retweeted by USA Rugby

53m Marc Johnson ‏@Marc___Johnson
Lets go @USAEaglesRugby ‪#BeatItaly‬ and have fun!!
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h Carl Turcotte ‏@CarlTurcotte007
Saturday's a rugby day. Go @USAEaglesRugby ‪#BeatItaly‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

52m eric j cleveland ‏@ecgetty
@USAEaglesRugby Let's go boys ‪#BeatItaly‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

50m MR ugby ‏@MRrugbyworldcup
Victory over Italy this weekend could make the @USAEaglesRugby the biggest climbers in the IRB Rankings – up from 17th to15 ‪#BeatItaly‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

48m Matthew Schmitz ‏@RugbyMD
Good luck @paulemerickiv and the rest of @USAEaglesRugby tonite! ‪#BeatItaly‬ ‪#USA‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

50m Caroline Craig ‏@CeeJayCraig
Stars and Bars all day! @USAEaglesRugby ‪#BeatItaly‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

47m Taylor Kloehn ‏@TaylorKloehn
Get after it @USAEaglesRugby! Show Italy how the US does it. ‪#BeatItaly‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

44m Garth Wakeford ‏@HamptonsRugby
@USAEaglesRugby please RT anyone who guesses correct score from usa italy game gets a free tie from hamptonsrugby.
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h Matthew Hansen ‏@mfhansen
@usaeaglesrugby is today the day we put a foot in the deep end? I think so. ‪#beatitaly‬ ‪#growingthegame‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h alex lee ‏@camlee42
@USAEaglesRugby let's go USA! ‪#BeatItaly‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h Jeremy Gazella ‏@jgazella74
Ready to watch @USAEaglesRugby tonight! ‪#BeatItaly‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h Rick Minichino M.S. ‏@TheTrainerRick
Is it game time yet? So ready to watch @USAEaglesRugby ‪#BeatItaly‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h Jarrod Dyke ‏@shrektherugger
No one messes with us in our own house GO @USAEaglesRugby beat Italy! USA USA USA
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h Joe Krider ‏@Cup_of_Joe5
My family is Italian but I still bleed red, white, and blue. Go @USAEaglesRugby !! ‪#BeatItaly‬ ‪#USArugby‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h MR ugby ‏@MRrugbyworldcup
@USAEaglesRugby I'm following all the way from Sydney Aust , let's do this and ‪#BeatItaly‬ .
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h Steve Handicott ‏@Handicott10
Come on @USAEaglesRugby you can do it!! ‪#Believe‬ ‪#USA‬ ‪#Rugby‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h MR ugby ‏@MRrugbyworldcup
Good luck @USAEaglesRugby I hope you spank Italy . ‪#BeatItaly‬ ‪#InANutshell‬
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h Robert Tibbitt ‏@RTibbs39
@USAEaglesRugby Lets get it today boys.
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h Mark A Brown ‏@Mr_Mark_Brown
A mahoosive ‪#BeatItaly‬ for my @USAEaglesRugby friends tonight. Get stuck in and win!
Retweeted by USA Rugby

1h Scott Spalding ‏@Scotti5h
@USAEaglesRugby Good luck from Scotland and put one over on the Azzuri
Retweeted by USA Rugby

How hard is it to flick your finger and swipe past it? Honestly? I love it! It's great to see so much support! If you can't just swipe past that much stuff on Twitter, then you probably follow about 5 people.

Deal with it.

Any show of support is worth a RT on game day.

@ Tweet this

As a CIPP paying member I would like to see USA Rugby use the marketing tools they have to their best advantage. I know you might think Twitter is a fad or something for kids, but the reality is that it is real, present and we are paying someone to manage it to its best effect for USA Rugby. Would you feel the same if USA Rugby paid to produce a TV commercial that was just trite lacked objective and just plain stupid? You do consider TV a real marketing platform, or should the analogy used radio?

Best tweet of the day!

3h Hugh G. Reckshun ‏@bigboner
@USAEaglesRugby Rugby is like sex. It is best when the results leave the rod RED, the girl is WHITE and the helmet is BLUE. GO EAGLES!
Retweeted by USA Rugby

Thaws RAYCESS!

*Thass...damn autotext

No scrum = no chance.


Biller is useless. Gifted Italy their first try, and can't hook a ball down the one channel if his life depends on it. Let's get some new blood in there..

Emerick = 50 tests with 20% including a card. Not good enough. New blood NOW!

Hooked - you try and strike the ball under that kind of pressure ..

Beagles ... you can now retire as the worlds worst prognosticator of scores ...

Losing 10-30 to Italy isn't the greatest thing, but realistically it's not that bad. To lose 0-10 in the second half playing most of the half without one player and 15 minutes two men down is really quite good. Quite an effort from the 13 who remained involved in the game.

So what's the deal with Houston? I know there's plenty of rugby in Texas, but (both in density and raw numbers) rugby is a lot bigger in some other regions of the country. And yet two of the biggest - or is it the two biggest - rugby crowds in US history were there. Way to support the team, Houston! If only the rest of us could match that.

Beagles was ok...if he'd have stood by his first pick.

My call was 14 points the second post was a joke. My bet with the first try netted a nice 5 digit profit. Order restored!

I have been very disappointed in the Eagles in the past. I thought we had little attack, played not to lose, and lacked any creativity.

These last two weeks I've been very impressed. We attacked, and had many shining moments. Obviously improvement needed, but all in all a good performance.

The numbers after the decimal don't count.

Front row = poor
9 & 10 - poor & poor

Let's get some new blood in NOW!

Canada put a much bigger scare into the Italian side. Long way to go till USA is respectable on the international stage.

Yes, that's true, but I am starting to believe we are finally moving on that long road.

"I do know that USA Basketball should have no say in the matter," Cuban said. "It’s completely separate from the NBA. They are a different financial entity. They would just be another country that could play in our tournament. Just like FIFA does the World Cup, the NBA could do a global tournament."

As Mark Cuban points out, NGBs do not, and should not, have to be involved in all aspects of a sport in this country.

Canada scored a convincing 31-12 win over Georgia after taking a 17-0 lead they went into the locker rooms at halftime winning 23-7.

USA is still playing catch up.

So that's two posts in a row saying the same thing. No, we don't have a great team overnight, but it's a decent result for a program showing improvement.

Don't get too big a hard-on about that Georgia result either. You beat us by 3. You beat Georgia by 19; we beat them by 16. Not all that dramatically better.

Early lead let us run out some youngsters against Georgia. Building real depth up here in Canada. Hope the USA results don't tarnish the new program of tier 1 nations touring Northern America in June. Step it up neighbor.

I'm active in kids rugby and have been for a few years - to where the youngsters I recruited to the game are playing in HS level sports, and some are very good, train yr round, sport of choice, etc. 'what can I do to take my kid to the next level' is a common quesiton and one I cant really answer. You must talk to Mr. X, here is his #. He manages the union all star team. Dont know the selection process, but he should be able to tell you as his son is on the team... Dont know the standards, dont know much. My son is 8th grade, Dad, what kind of training plan should I follow? Nada on the USAR website that I can find. The USA development plan seems to be find foreign kids who have been coached elsewhere and plug them into an unknown system with a rotating cast of coaches. I dont have an answer to fix these issues, but until someone does, its hard to tell a parent with an athletic child that this is a worthwhile endeavour vs. alternate sports. This kid happens to be the son of two ACC scholarship athletes, dad went pro for a time. Dad thinks rugby is a total waste of time... this kind of 2 bit organization makes it hard to push the more talented kids to take up rugby full time.

The next Eagle fly half is sitting in Grand Rapids, Michigan waiting for the phone to ring.
Need his number?

Let us know when you have found a couple props.

By twitting "welcome to altitude" to Georgians, USA Rugby just confirmed the stereotype about Americans being ignorant of other nations. That's like telling Alaskans "welcome to cold".
Much of the territory of Republic of Georgia is high in the mountains.

I watched that game, and the Georgians were clearly gassed before the US was.

Maybe someone at USA rugby has a sense of humor and is using "social" media to be "social".

How dare he. Not if I'm paying $35 a year he's not going to pull that shit.

It was the Georgian's 3rd side.

No it wasn't.

And though Georgia is mountainous, Tbilisi is only at 2500. On the other hand, it's not like the Eagles mainly live at high elevation.

@Canuck - again, don't get too high and mighty about your great start against Georgia. Canada's lead at the half was 16. Ours was 20. You'd make a lot of sense if you crowed about winning the second half by 3, while we were outscored by 4. But somehow I suspect that making a rational argument is your strong suit.

@Mike, I'm not suggesting that what you described is not an actual problem, but if you take a longer view things are improving. 15 years ago our problems in youth rugby (barely existing in most of the country) were even worse. Hopefully in 15 years people will be complaining about serious problems that we can only dream about having. And seeing progress over recent years, and the passion and dedication of so many people (forget Nigel, it's the anonymous work of thousands of us nobodies that will make the real progress) I have little doubt that we will achieve it.

Goff's article was an embarassment. A sreious analysis of the match would show that the Eagles did some things well and others not so well. The second half was, unfortunately, a write off due to the sending off's. The match was a foregone conclusion once Siniulu was sent off.

Looking at the first 50 or so minutes the Eagles did well retaining possession in the loose, looked more creative in attack (theirs was the best try of the game) and other than the first line out - which was a disaster - effective in this facet.

The scrum remains a huge issue. It cost the Eagles a a try and just as importantly, limited the attacking opportunities the Eagles had. Rugby Union still revolves around the set piece (thank god) and the Eagles need to master this fascet of the game.

Finally, decision making is questionable. When the Eagles had a penalty in the first half they chose to kick for points. I for one wsa screaming for them to go for the corner and get a try. Was anyone surprised when the kick was missed. A similar decision was made in the second half. Two opportunities go for tries with nothing to show for it. Wyles is NOT a goal kicker. Neither were close to lock solid shots at goal. Why not go for the try? It's not like there were going to be that many opportunities to begin with.

The Eagles can take away a hard fought damage limitation effort. Which, unfortunately, is not something to be overly proud of ....

Geez. It's an editorial, not a match report. And, most rugby enthusiasts I've talked to agree with much (not all) of what he has to say regarding this match.

There are plenty of opinions and reports from Goff that I don't agree with but this isn't one of them.

It was extremely unfortunate for the players and the 17k that showed up expecting an international level match.

Alex Goff is a rugby blogger in a country where rugby is not covered by the sports desks at legit news organizations. If rugby gets big enough, goofs like Goff will be insignificant.

So what is the net-net of the college rugby meetings that happen in Houston?

Call me optimistic... but how about Junior World Championship 2014 (only because France already has 2013). Or if that is not feasible how about 2015 or 2016?

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